Model Railroad Podcast

  





hosted by: Ryan Andersen & Will Ayerst
Model Rail Cast #13
Mon, May 19, 2008

Crew Lounge

  • Show Update: Give-away is still running, please to support poster area.

  • Site Update: forums are going crazy, lots of comments - great stuff.

  • Will update: will to buy proper Mic, FTP, Megaupload, etc. - try recording each and syncing up for perfect quality

  • Ryan Update: website and more

Railway Post Office

Feedback for the show.

Roundhouse

We've spoken about car routing methods in the past, now we're going to touch on a train routing method. There are various methods:

  • Timetable and Train Order - oldest method, timed trains meeting at scheduled points to pass each other. - phased out late 60's
  • CTC (centralised traffic control - signals) Pennsy being an early advocate
  • Track Warrants - came into play after timetables were phased out on routes which CTC control was not viable (for cost/benefit, remoteness, etc.) Nowadays  it's mainly Class 2 and 3 railroads that use Track Warrants instead of signals, although notably the BNSF has this on it's El Paso and Harbor subdivisions.


Track Warrants as a simple way to increase operational length and interest:

  • Track Warrants are used in place of signals to organise trains on a railroad - which route to take, when to meet, when to stop, etc. 
  • Track warrants are issued by a centralised dispatcher who keeps track of what trains are on which part of the railroad (he knows this because he needs to authorise any movements, and has a computer screen or board with magnets to shuffle around)
  • Track Warrants are issued by a train calling the dispatcher and requesting. Then the dispatcher tells the conductor what the order is, and they both write it down on 'train order sheets', the conductor repeats back, they check it and are done.
  • Example: three towns (Ryansville, Wilton and Vicksburg) on the MKT (aka Katy).Now, in our modelling terms you could just run trains and whoever came to the siding first could take it - but if it was a passenger train, how would your dear commuters like to wait in the siding against a stinking hog train while it rumbles past!?

                 Example: /PhotoGallery/PhotoSetView.asp?r=47

  • another example of a train order For a train to arrive on your layout from west staging:
    • Track Warrant NO. 11, January 8th 1968 to Freight Hauler East at <West Staging>
    • Track Warrant NO. <previous> Is Void.
    • Proceed From <West Staging> to Wilton
    • Clear Main Track At Last Named Point.
  • and an order for Freight Hauler West in the other direction:
    • Track Warrant NO. 12, January 8th 1968 to Freight Hauler West at Vicksburg
    • Track Warrant NO. 8 is Void.
    • Proceed from Vicksburg to Wilton
  • in this, FHE might get into the hole before FHW arrives, either way a warrant would be issued:
    • to FHE to void the previous warrant, then tell it to proceed to Vicksburg after FHW arrives. This could be made part of the first train order, too.
    • to FHW to void the previous warrant and tell it to proceed past Wilton to Ryansville. This needs to be issued after it's confirmed that the FHE is in the hole
  • Can be used in concert with CTC (i.e. ctc ends, twc starts)
  • Most track warrants in the U.S. follow a standard form as suggested by the General Code of Operating Rules, consisting of several "X-boxes" to mark specific notes or conditions for a warrant. These vary from temporary speed restrictions to rules regarding meeting other trains. i.e. "To Katy 91 , Checkbox 1, Track warrant number 2 is void" rather than just blurting it out. Saves time copying all the same info down over and over again. Attaching example train order notes for the above run into the show notes.
  • http://qstation.org/info/Track_Warrant.jpg - A Full ATSF track warrant
  • Operationally, it's only a small leap from track warrants towards a full timetable/train order setting, which we'll try to cover soon


Coaling Tower

  • Microsoft Train Simulator - Easy to run diesels, difficult to run steams, typical simulation game, 4 out 5.
  • Joe Fugates' Siskiyou Line Ops Session Love, No.1 - July 12, 1987


Archives - ATSF diesel schemes


Branch Line - none this week.


Interchange

  • http://www.lundsten.dk/us_signaling/twc/  -track warrant control info

  • http://www.cti-electronics.com/ - signaling controls and more for Model Rail Roads


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Posted by: Jay Smith MRCS Pioneer on Mon, May 19 2008     neclayout.webs.com
Another great show, looks like I have some HUGE shoes to fill, the out takes at the end are great, maybe we can hear some of the phone calls you and Will make at the end of some shows.

Posted by: Ironsiderodger MRCS Pioneer on Mon, May 19 2008    
Wow. I really should stop there because that sums it up.

I'm as far back now as show 6a and I stand by what I said: each show is not only fun, but very educational; they stand quite easily on there own, and yet somehow form an amazing continuous narrative. I have to tell you, after weeks of searching or someone just talking about trains on a podcast (I saw your site, and quite stupidly I dismissed because I wanted to hear about "real" trains) I was so frustrated that I decided to use my limited experience in podcasting to do a show on trains- even recording some segments. I finally popped in your #11 show, I listened to #12, then the others. But show #13 sealed it. I feel no need to progress further in my attempts.

All of the shows were wonderful, stronger with every new show; but #13 took such a professional and entertaining leap I was staggered. I thought you guys had already hit your stride, but apparently there are different levels of stride. From Vicky doing the announcement, the interaction (always wonderful) between you two, the well chosen and well placed (and well faded) segues. This was not a podcast, it was a broadcast of first class quality.

I could not believe it when I got to the end of the show and realized it was done- I was ready for more. Thanks for the podcast I've been looking for, the podcast railfans have been looking for.

PS I forgot to mention that re-enactment with the dispatcher and engineer demonstrating track warrants was awesome!

Posted by: jimsmodeltrains on Tue, May 20 2008     www.stanfordhosting.net/jimsjunction
Enjoyed episode 13. How did you do the two way radio sound for the track warrant dramatisation? You did a great job of describing the different train routing methods. Can't wait for the next episode!

Thanks for the mention on air too (it's always nice to hear oneself identified on air!).

Just on the modelcast posters - I don't have a hobby shop within easy distance of where I live. But I have a website. Could I make a JPG of the poster from the PDF file and place it on my website?



Posted by: rustyrails on Tue, May 20 2008     www.passingloop.com
ryan, for the train simulation you should see Trainz 2006. give the demo a try, its very easy to create routes in (you can prototype your model railroad in it) and there are many trainz users who have created a lot of content (locos, rolling stock and scenery) that are FREE. dont go for Trainz Classics. its newer and some of the user content dont play nice with it. Trainz 2004 or Trainz 2006 should be fine.

MSTS and Kuju's Rail simulator are good but creating routes in them have learning curve. In Trainz, its very easy to create routes. Check out a few youtube videos on trainz.

Posted by: RobHinkle MRCS Pioneer on Wed, May 21 2008    
Another great show guys!

I've ordered Joe's operation DVD's based on Will's comments, I've sure they will be interesting to review. I've also got Joe's other DVD's and I would highly recommend them to everyone as well, I'll have to see if I can put together a quick review for the show.




Posted by: Engine72 MRCS Supporter on Wed, May 21 2008    
Dear Ryan and Wil,

Been listening sice beta show and I must say that the shows keep getting stronger each time. Likeing the operations side of things you are talking about. I have a G gauge outside and a HO in basement. About a dozen of us G Gaugers get together for a op sesion at a local members Layout every fall and spring. Were we use the comuputer program Rail OPs. http://www.railop.com/

Here is a sample of what we move in 2 days..

Saturday's totals
23 trains run
100 cars switched
2905 tons of freight and passengers moved

Sunday's totals
19 trains run
88 cars switched
2335 tons of freight and passnegers moved

Totals for the weekend
42 trains
188 cars switched
5240 tons of freight and passengers hauled.

All this is acomplised with a dispatcher 2 yardmasters and a half dozen crews. (brakeman and engineer) It is alot of fun.

Keep up the good work.
Todd Siddle


Posted by: vonheine MRCS Pioneer on Fri, May 23 2008    
All I can say is WOW! The show just keeps getting better. I liked Victoria's addition to the show. Ryan and Will as usual were outstanding. The show continues and excels at being informative, entertaining, educational, and just plain fun.

What more could one ask for?

Carry on with a great show that I look forward to hearing each week.

Joseph


Posted by: Douglas on Sat, May 24 2008    
Another great show guys! I really enjoyed the Track Warrant skit. I learn a lot by listening to stuff like that.
Love the more detailed show notes on the web site. It's nice to see some of the goodies you talk about on the show written down.

Keep up the good work guys.

Model Rail Cast - Rocking The Railroad Modeling Scene Since 2008

Douglas

Posted by: jfugate MRCS Sponsor on Sat, May 24 2008     http://siskiyou-railfan.net
Wow, another great plug you guys!

And yes, the water cars rule of the US Forest Service is real. I have images of prototype water cars on both the Siskiyou Line and the Cascade Line in Oregon during the 1980s and 1990s. I believe the ruling first came about in the 1960s.

The water cars element adds a lot of fun to the operation of the layout, and it's completely prototypical!

Posted by: nicknero on Sat, May 24 2008    
Great show guys I would be glad to go on the show if it helps I am working on some layout "gadgets" I can talk about

 
 
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