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hosted by: Ryan Andersen & Will Ayerst
Model Rail Cast #19
Sat, Jun 28, 2008

MRC Show # 19 Notes - Designing your MRR World

  • Crew Lounge: Sweet 16 DVD immnent, Will's ATSF stuff arrive! and all your feedback.
  • Roundhouse: Part 2 of Designing a Model railroad you can enjoy and be proud of.
  • Coaling Tower: 101 Things you can do with a Model Railroad, Model Railroader August 2008
  • Archives: Diesel locomotives of the American Locomotive Company, 1932-1969
  • TYRTH: 1932
  • Branch Line: ???
  • Interchange: Our 'links of the week'

Download the enhanced (better sounding) version of the show with chapters:  MRC Show 19 (AAC)

ATSF FT, Kansas 1952

Crew Lounge
Will update: Almost all items ready to collect, and a date set for benchwork.
Ryan Update: Almost finished the sweet 16 DVD!

Railway Post Office
Feedback and updates.

Roundhouse
The second part of a 4-part (or so) series on designing your model railroad.  From a basic layout to a crafted master piece you can enjoy and be proud of.

This week, how you can go about designing your railroad, and the importance of planning in the procedures. We give a few hints and tips on how to avoid obvious pitfalls and provide some methods for working out what you'd like to include, and sketching and designing the layout of tracks and industries. We also clarify a few of the points made last week.

Coaling Tower
A positive MR review finally, Model Railroader August 2008 recieves the thumbs up for it's 8x4' sheet segment and a huge PRR steam scenery-based layout.

Archives
The diesels of Alco from their entry into the market with the #300 demonstrator to their demise in 1969:

Early & Mid-era Locomotives

prefix
HH = High Hood switcher
DL = Diesel Locomotive
S = switcher
RS = road switcher
Px = Passenger
Fx = Freight
A = A-unit (with cab)
B = B-unit (cabless)
C = 3-axle trucks with unpowered centre axle
D = 3-axle trucks
 
Middle
number = model
 
S1 = 600hp McIntosh Seymour Straight 6
S2 = 1000hp Turbocharged McIntosh Seymour Straight 6
S3 = 660hp Turbocharged McIntosh Seymour Straight 6 on AAR Type A Trucks
S4 = 1000hp Turbocharged McIntosh Seymour Straight 6 on AAR Type A Trucks
Fx1 = 1500hp Turbocharged V12 Alco 244
Fx2 = 1600hp Turbocharged V12 Alco 244
Fx4 = 1800hp  Turbocharged V12 Alco 251
Px1 = 2000hp Turbocharged V16 Alco 244 (six axle trucks, middle axle non-powered)
Px2 = 2250hp Turbocharged V16 Alco 244
RS1 = 1000hp Turbocharged McIntosh Seymour Straight 6
RS2 = 1500hp Turbocharged V12 Alco 244
RS3 = 1600hp Turbocharged V12 Alco 244
 
Late-era Locomotives
Prefix is always C, denoting a Century series loco – all Alco 251 v16’s, introduced 1963 but too late to gain enough market share to save Alco.

Middle number
4 = 4-axles
6 = 6-axles
8 = 8-axles
 
Last pair of numbers
= hp i.e.
24 = 2,400hp
25 = 2,500hp
28 = 2,800hp
30 = 3,000hp

 

This Random Year in Train History - This week: 1932

  • The Independent City Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (IND) opened - 1/3 of the NYC Subway.
  • New York Central abandoned the Old Forge Branch.
  • The Depression reached a low point in mid-1932, with unemployment standing at 12 million. The net income of railroads plummeted from $977 million in 1929 to a loss of $122 million in 1932; the industry would not be profitable again until 1937.
  • B&O - After reaching a high of 452 in 1929, B&O stock drops to under 4. National Limited inaugurated as first all Pullman air-conditioned train. Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburgh and the Buffalo and Susquehanna added to the B&O System.
  • The DT&I discontinues all passenger service in Michigan, leaving only passenger service between Springfield and Jackson, Ohio.
  • Original NS Railroad enters receivership
  • Alco 300hp demo units built and sold to LV, Navy, United Fruit Company between 1931 and 1938, but over 50% built in 1932.
  • PRR introduced P-5a electric loco. The P5A was the first electric locomotive to be built in quantity on the Pennsylvania Railroad. Their class number was 4700's. They are built with box-like cabs, the major difference from the P5 is the horsepower. P5s were rated at 3000+ while the P5a produced a whopping 5000+ horses. After the GG1 took their position as passenger haulers, they were moved to freight service. After that, it wasn't rare to see three coupled together. (an FT was 1,350hp in comparison)
  • The Southern Pacific Railroad gained control of the Cotton Belt system on April 14, 1932 but continued to operate it as a separate company until 1992, when the SP consolidated the Cotton Belt's operations into the parent company
  • The first radio broadcast from a moving train occurs when New York City station WABC broadcasts from a Baltimore and Ohio Railroad train operating in Maryland.
  • The first completely air-conditioned sleeping car trains began operating on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad.
  • The last steam-powered Southern Belle passenger train operates on the Southern Railway on December 31st. The train's equipment was replaced with electric multiple unit cars the next day.
  • 1932 was the height of the depression for American railroads as evidenced by this table: in 1929 955 locomotives were built, in 1931 53, in 1932 just 3! Those 3 that were built were manufactured in railroad shops so they were probably cobbled together from old parts

Branch Line
???

Interchange
http://www.tamvalleyrr.com/ - Duncan Mcree's Tamalpais Valley Railroad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alco - ALCO on Wikipedia

Download the enhanced (better sounding) version of the show with chapters:  MRC Show 19 (AAC)
 

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Posted by: dbrent on Mon, Jun 30 2008    
Possibly your best show to date... At least in terms of how much I learned. Seriously, sometimes I wish we could all get together and just have a beer or three and talk trains...An anual meetup or something somewhere.

Anyway, a few specific comments:
1. The premium content issue...You guys are far too modest. I would DEFINITELY subscribe to get access to some of the additional back and forth banter you have. It's not necessarily the "expertise" that I tune in for. There are 1000s of books and websites full of expertise on model railroading. For me it's more the inspiration I get from just listening to you 2 guys who represent different perspectives (one a newcomer and steam lover, the other, more seasoned and a modern diesel fan) talk about trains. I don't think you realize how much chemistry you have and how much that chemistry comes thru in the show. I'd listen if it was a 4hr show.

2. Donations - Great Idea, you'll be recieving mine before you record the next show. And don't be too concerned about people wondering where the money goes. Your character is evidenced in the work and dedication you put into this show that we, the model railroading community at large, benefit so greatly from.

3. MP3 vs. M4V - I've listened to both and aside from the extra features of chapters and embeded media, I don't hear a huge drop off in audio quality. Both formats sound excellent to me. BTW WinAmp (avail for free) will play the m4v files on any computer if you don't want to use itunes.

4. Layout Planning - WOW! That segment hit home for me, because it's exactly what I'm working through now... Being a railroad newbie, sometimes I feel like I don't even know enough to ask the right questions... Anyway very much looking forward to track planning next week.

5. Frank Ellison Passage - Absolute eloquance! I would love to hear more discussion about some of the model railroad pioneers on the show. Discussing the work of John Armstrong and his contributions to track planning theory, or commenting on legendary layouts like John Allens GD Lines, or Linn Wescott's early how books would be awesome.

6. This Random Year in Railroad History 1981 -
(Ryan should like this one) Union Pacific #3985 is restored to operating condition, making it the largest operable steam locomotive in the world.

And finally a question -
Are you still planning on adding a picture posting capability on these feedback pages?

Again, great job guys!
Don

Posted by: sajay on Mon, Jun 30 2008     bs-and-t.com
My media player will not play m4a files. Are you going to provide an MP3 for this show?

Posted by: RobHinkle on Mon, Jun 30 2008    
Another great show guys it just keeps getting better and better.

On the comments here, my philosophy is that I'll leave additional thoughts/links based on the show that I listened to. I have re posted some of the comments that I've put on the show in the forum since I'm not sure how many people read these comments.

I enjoy the information on the various types of diesels, I'm prety familar with stuff up until the mid 60's but not much after that point.

The link given for the Layout Design Special Interest Group might not be working, Joe Fugate needed to move the hosting and I'm not sure if it's full propagated across the net, a current link to find the site is http://www.macrodyn.com/ldsig/home

Posted by: Jay Smith on Tue, Jul 1 2008     neclayout.webs.com
Great show, really enjoying the layout planning series.

In 1981, Congress passes the Northeast Rail Service Act which amended portions of the Regional Rail Reorganization Act by exempting Conrail from liability for any state taxes which allowed Conrail to finish the year with a profit for the first time. (Another great thing that happen in 1981, I was born!)

Posted by: Will on Tue, Jul 1 2008     www.modelrailcast.com
Hi guys,

Just a very quick comment as I'm snowed under at work at the moment. I've added a picture in the show notes as a test - I will do my very best to test and ensure that all future podcast show notes are properly illustrated!

Thanks all who've comment so far with their TRYTH suggestions, we'll be doing our best to respond to all of these in our next RPO segment!

Many thanks,

Posted by: rustyrails on Tue, Jul 1 2008     www.passingloop.com
congrats to will and ryan for your first sponsor! must be great to see the monetary benefit for your hard work. I know this will also help us as you will now be able to buy/get the review kits from manufacturers and tell us what good/bad. its also good for your sponsors as thru your reviews i purchased a few ipod-format of joe's scenery videos and they were great.

Keep up the great work and this format. PS. sorry, didn't like the unplugged version though. prefer your current format.

Posted by: Ironsiderodger on Tue, Jul 1 2008    
Guys what a fantastic show- I must admit I was panicking a bit when I couldn't get the mp3 version, but by last night you came through. I love how you guys really have involved us in the show, it feels great to be a part of it.

Ryan I really think you've got a great emphasis in the whys of building a Model Railroad, and I love you were both able to harmonize Duncan's views in there as well.

I love the nomenclature of the particular locomotive companies, my vote is to keep doing that. Incidently, despite that smoky engine, the Alco PA units still managed to hold a respectable speed advantage ofer their EMD E unit competitors; I believe the E's could get up to just over 100mph, whereas the PA-1s could reportedly max out at 117mph which I believe may still bes the record for any mass-produced US diesel- even the new GE P-42's are rated at 110mph.

Guys I can't wait for show 20! And I loved the extra footage thrown in at the end- great stuff!

Posted by: jfugate on Wed, Jul 2 2008     http://siskiyou-railfan.net
I appreciate you guys announcing the LD SIG's URL on the show and I also want to thank Rob Hinkle for pointing out the ldsig.org URL is in limbo right now.

But it gets even uglier, pending a class action lawsuit with our current registrar, StartLogic. It looks like the ldsig.org URL is being held hostage with no end in sight for it's release.

So we're moving the Layout Design SIG to ldsig.net. I'm not happy about this, but StartLogic won't answer calls and won't budge, so legal action seems like the only recourse.

Posted by: toddchoo on Wed, Jul 2 2008    
I saw one of your flyers in a local hobby shop here in Phoenix. So I thought I would listen to your podcast. I was quite impressed. Very informative and professionally done.

But I should of turned off my Ipod after the show was "over". Because I then heard 10 minutes of the two hosts talking about making a 'premium content area' for those listeners that shell out some money.
Now I understand dotations and sponsorship but I got the impression that this show was different in the Model Railroad community.
That this show was not like the Scotty Mason Show where everyone acts "high and mighty".
I was wrong! It is just another exclusive club for the model railroader with money. High costs are the reason this hobby is disappearing. And now I'm under the impression that your trying to isolate anyone who can not afford your 'premium content'.

I am sorry if I appear so rude. I come from a long line of model railroaders and I'm sick of seeing the hobby die due to overwhelming prices and a sense of not being welcome.
Please prove me wrong!

Posted by: Ironsiderodger on Wed, Jul 2 2008    
toddchoo-

Ryan and Will are doing something special here- and when people show their support of the show these guys try to give back in the best way they can. This is a great place for even the poorest money-challenged model railroader, I got five kids; think I've got money to throw around? Yet I've been made to feel very welcome here. Anything we donate is put into making the whole show better- and that everyone benefits from, donaters or not. We'll all benefit when the show's bandwith costs are met, we'll all benefit when the site is expanded to include more interaction, we'll all benefit when these guys can do product reviews that might just save us a buck or two in the end- and no one will have to donate to get that.
I think this site already is evidence that Ryan and Will turn back there resources, input, and donations into making this a great place to hang and talk trains- Scotty Mason's site? Where is the bang for the buck there? So if Ryan and Will offer the OPTION of donating and then put even more work into something to give back to those who may have given monetarily- how is this a problem? Should they ask for donations and not give anything in return?

I don't question your love for the hobby, nor legitamate concerns of furthering the hobby's expenses, but I think you might have been a bit quick on this one.

Posted by: Will on Wed, Jul 2 2008     www.modelrailcast.com
ToddChoo - While I think you have the perfect right to express your feelings whatever they may be, I feel you may have got the wrong impression and maybe been a bit quick to judge.

ModelRailCast is, and will continue to be free. We have had shows ranging from 40 minutes to two and a half hours every week since December of 2007. We have made this website for everyone to share and interact on, the forums, the galleries and the whole model railcast community with nothing more than the pleasure of doing so.

We have incurred personal expense to the tune of software licensing, recording and editing hardware to say nothing of the 4-5 hours recording time and Ryan's 5-10 hour editing time every single week.

We would dearly love to be able to dictate to a manufacturer which models we want to review, which books we want as review copies but unfortunately that's not yet the case - for that we'll need to purchase the items. We'll need to purchase another DV cam to record video reviews to put up there for everyone to see.

We really are NOT asking for sympathy, we don't think we're due anything and we're not asking you to pay us to do this - we're simply suggesting that if you would like to support the show monetarily to relieve some of the cost pressure on us, then the option is there. None of the funding we recieve is going into our pockets, it's going right back onto the show so we can make it better for everyone.

Even bearing all of that in mind, we would still like to somehow reward those who help us with a token of our gratitude. Whether that's an unfinished show script, access to our notes, video demonstrations that may not be ready for unveiling on our feeds or anything of that variety - we are making a point that nobody will be excluded and we will not segregate people based on whether they subscribe, donate or just enjoy listening to the show.

Please accept my apologies for not making that more clear, I did think that my exact words in that last segment were "We do not want to charge people to view premium content, the content is there as a thank-you to anyone who would like to donate" and that is the mentality we are currently operating on.

I'd very much like to talk to you about your thoughts, either on here or privately if you'd prefer - will at modelrailcast dot com!

Thanks again,

Posted by: dugzowl on Thu, Jul 3 2008    
Another great show Ryan and Will. I love the show notes. It is helping me to understand the different numbers (prefix, middle, etc). I hoping some day I can just look at an engine and say 'hey...that is a Emd SD40-2 diesel locomotive. It was used on blah, blah, blah." Maybe someday with the help of two great podcast hosts. Big smile!

Train Facts For 1981
The Federal Railroad Administration rejected Sensor System On Nation's Railroad Bridges in 1981.
After a 1979 freight train derailment on a damaged bridge in Devils Slide, Utah, the railroad agency considered placing detection devices on the nation's 85,000 railroad bridges. But in 1981 the F.R.A. decided against installing sensors on railroad bridges because "the projected costs far outweigh the benefits," the agency said in a 1981 report that calculated the system would cost $850 million to install and $85 million a year to maintain.

To Ryan, Will and to all my fellow listeners:
HAVE A GOOD 4TH OF JULY!

Douglas

Posted by: sajay on Fri, Jul 4 2008     bs-and-t.com
I'll just add a few comments about layout planning and building.

1. After planning it on paper do not be afraid to change the track plan as you are putting track down. What might look good on paper, or computer screen, may not work out so well in the real world.

2. Do not start scenery immediately after putting the track down. Give it a few months, at least, to make sure the track and turnouts work well. You can also take this time to make sure you are happy with the operations side of things. I changed the track arrangement in Chappellton about 4 or 5 times before I finally liked the way the town looked. I changed Derwin's Drop only once. The other towns are the same as designed.

3. Don't be afraid to make changes. As you progress you will learn more and find other ways of doing things. The more you operate you will learn what works and what doesn't work.

4. If there's something major you really don't like there's always the next layout. Treat the one you are working on as a learning experience - a stepping stone to the next layout. The BS&T will be reincarnated during the winter of 2010 or 2011. There are some major things I discovered in the first few months of this version that I will change.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.

Scott

Posted by: dmcree on Fri, Jul 4 2008     www.tamvalleyrr.com
Clearly the best show yet! They just keep getting better.

TRYTH 1981 - From the New York Times "Mar 4, 1981 - The Union Pacific Railroad began presenting its case today for its proposed acquisition of the Missouri Pacific and Western Pacific lines, a merger that would create the nation's third-largest rail system." The merger was finally approved in 1983.

 
 
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