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hosted by: Ryan Andersen & Will Ayerst
Model Rail Cast #20
Mon, Jul 7, 2008

MRC Show # 20 Notes - Designing your MRR World

  • Crew Lounge: Sweet 16 DVD is now available!, Threaded forum in testing-phase, subscription & support discussion, and all your great feedback.
  • Roundhouse: Part 3 of Designing a Model railroad you can enjoy and be proud of.
  • Coaling Tower: Track Planning For Realistic Operations, by John Armstrong (3rd Edition)
  • Archives: The Southern Pacific's diesel schemes from 1937-91
  • TYRTH: 1981
  • Branch Line: Ironside Roger's Guest broadcast
  • Interchange: Our 'links of the week'

Download the enhanced (better sounding) version of the show with chapters:  MRC Show 20 (AAC)

 

Crew Lounge
Will update: Some discussion on the rolling stock I've come into ownership of, and my thoughts for getting a layout sorted.
Ryan Update: Finished Sweet 16 DVD and being shipped out as we speak
Site Update: Sponsorship options available to use via Paypal and a threaded forum is almost completed testing
Show Update: Both of our giveaways are still running! (guess Will's age - email ryan, and the Support Posters)

Railway Post Office
Feedback and updates from all you nice chaps!

Roundhouse
The third part of a 4-part (or so) series on designing your model railroad.  From a basic layout to a crafted master piece you can enjoy and be proud of.

This week, the plan we chose, and why we chose what we did. How the tracks laid out work prototypically and operationally to the benefit of everyone. Here's the plan of what we discuss:

Further plans (including a full-size plan with scenic details) is available here.

Coaling Tower
After some prompting from our listeners we delve into a book written by John Armstrong - one of the true pioneers of model railroading. His book, "Track Planning For Realistic Operation" provided the foundation for many thousands of modellers and the concepts he introduced then were proven correct in his own layout, the Canandaigua Southern.

Archives

SP Diesel Schemes:
1937 - 1944
SP's first fully owned diesels, were SW1 switchers, and received a paint scheme based on EMD's SW1 demonstrator #804. Most references say the lettering was white, but SP's later Lettering Diagram for the Black Widow F-units calls Aluminum-Bronze lettering. There is probably a better than good chance that the lettering and striping were in fact Aluminum-Bronze.

The early diesels came in all-over black, with a thin frame pinstripe, and a parallel pin-stripe placed just below the cab window, and running the length of, the cab side, the long hood and wrapping around over the radiator and according to the Kato NW2, the back of the cab.

1944 - 1946

SP changed the yard-switcher paint scheme in 1944. These came with Orange diagonal stripes applied on the entire long hood end, up to the bottom of the windows, the frame, the pilots and the air resevoir. There was also an orange pin-stripe along the top of the hood.

Yard Switchers 1947 - 1956
Orange diagonal stripes on a black carbody, commonly known as Tiger Stripe, was the paint scheme applied to all new diesel switchers from 1947 to 1956. It was also applied to all diesel switchers repainted up to 1957/58.

Black Widow Scheme 1947-1958
On cab units - silver splash on the nose with orange horizontal stripes underneath, and a red sill stripe.

Road Engines 1949-53
By the end of 1949, the Road Switcher Tiger Stripe paint had been finalized as all over black, with Daylight orange tiger stripes on the pilots, side sills and air tanks. The hood ends and lettering on black surfaces were aluminum, with lettering on aluminum surfaces being black.

Road Engines 1953+
Beginning with the Train Masters in 1953, Black Widow paint was specified for Hood units too. (silver hood ends, one with the splash and orange horizontal stripes, red sill stripe)

Mid 1958
The term 'Halloween' was never an officially adopted 'name'. Anecdotally though, Shop paint crews were heard to refer to this scheme as Halloween, and the term _was_ generally used in a derogatory manner. Depending on your viewpoint, the term Halloween can either mean every locomotive that SP painted into solid orange and black, or those locomotives that were not originally painted Tiger Stripe. ie. F and E units, and possibly passenger GP9's and H24-66's.

During a recessionary period in 1958, SP was looking at a cheaper paint scheme, than the expensive to apply 4 color Black Widow scheme. Legend has it, that this scheme was first applied to an HO Scale model, with nail-polish during one lunch break at Head Office...

End of 1958 until 1991

Bloody Nose

 

Branch Line
By our guest contributor, ISR (aka Tim) - an Operation Lifesaver piece by Jay will be available for download on the website too, in addition.

Interchange
http://home.comcast.net/~lynn_n_milt/ - Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range Railway in HO Scale

http://www.icgrr.com/ - Illinois Central Gulf Railroad model railroad

http://cypress-engineering.com/ModelRailroad.htm - The Flea II turnout controller

Download the enhanced (better sounding) version of the show with chapters:  MRC Show 20 (AAC)
 

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Posted by: Will MRCS Pioneer on Mon, Jul 7 2008     www.modelrailcast.com
I never get 'first comment', but as usual would like to thank Ryan for his speedy editing and for the fans for their support!

Posted by: Ironsiderodger MRCS Pioneer on Mon, Jul 7 2008    
I left my main comment on the New Forums.

I'll reprise with that it was a fantasic show all around.... except for some weirdo on the branch line...

Posted by: jfugate MRCS Sponsor on Mon, Jul 7 2008     http://siskiyou-railfan.net
Hey, once you guys get the bugs worked out of your remote operation idea, anybody interested in doing some remote operation on the Siskiyou Line?

Could be interesting!

Posted by: Will MRCS Pioneer on Mon, Jul 7 2008     www.modelrailcast.com
With yourself and Scott Jay's kind offer to try it if it gets sorted - I might be able to achieve my goal of operating on a nice big layout! You're very kind.

Posted by: dbrent MRCS Pioneer on Mon, Jul 7 2008    
Another solid show.

Will asked about which roads we'd like to hear more about as far as color schemes and history...I'd like to nominate the D&RGW.

BTW, Did I hear Will correctly in that he thought the SP Daylight scheme was "hideous"? Ouch! Sorry dude, can't go with you on that one.

This random year in railroad history - 2000:
Oct. 2000, A 32 car passenger train ran from Anchorage to Indian making it the longest passenger train in the Alaska Railroad's history.

Don



Posted by: Ryman MRCS Pioneer on Mon, Jul 7 2008     www.modelrailcast.com/
Sounds like we need to add a Remote Operation topic area on the new forum! Will/Jay?

Posted by: dmcree MRCS Pioneer on Tue, Jul 8 2008     www.tamvalleyrr.com
Hi guys - I see the "profitability" debate continues on. I have thought a bit more about this since my post to show #18 and here is my current thinking on the question of profit for model railroad layouts.

To gauge the profitability of a layout we need an approriate measure. Scale miles are measured in "smiles" and we use a fast clock to time our operations with scale hours "shours". I propose that we measure our model railroad profits in scale model dollars or "smollars". The size of these scale dollars will need to be appropriately scaled. In HO the length and height of each dollar will be reduced by a factor 87 so the value of an HO smollar should be $1/872 or $1,000,000 prototype dollars = $132 smollars. The 1/87*1/87 reduction in revenue also makes sense as the area that a model railroad will be able to serve is reduced by length by width and thus the amount of traffic generated will be down by this factor. A bigger layout will generate more traffic and thus more smollars. To determine if a layout is profitable you will need to divide its area by the total amunt of smollars generated. Bigger layouts generate more smollars but they will also have have higher operating smollars.

Anybody have an HO CFO we can consult?

All the best, Duncan

Posted by: jamesk3142 MRCS Pioneer on Tue, Jul 8 2008    
Love the show ! keep them coming ! i will spread the word. JimK

Posted by: jimmyjack MRCS Supporter on Wed, Jul 9 2008    
Another great show guys. Looking forward to the next episode, especially the next installment of designing the model railroad.

Posted by: dugzowl MRCS Supporter on Thu, Jul 10 2008    
Another great show guys. As for the new forum...all that I can say is WOW!!!! Great work!

2000 in Rail Facts
General Motors Electro-Motive Division delivers to the Union Pacific Railroad the first five EMD SD70M diesel locomotives in the largest single order (1,000 locomotives) for diesel locomotives ever by a single railroad.
SD70M would mean a Standard Duty, 70,000hp???? I'm not quite sure.

Posted by: jimsmodeltrains on Sun, Jul 13 2008     www.stanfordhosting.net/jimsjunction
Hi Ryan & Will.

Being very interested in operation, I enjoyed your discussion on designing a layout, and particularly how to switch Ryansville.

Wouldn't it be better when bringing a train from the right into Ryansville to bring a freight train into the siding and cut off the cars, move the cars for Fossal Fuel forward then run around them and push them into the spur? It would keep the main free most of the time, and would mean one less move. Just a thought.

The PC Electrics segment was really interesting. In the city I grew up in there was/is an extensive electric suburban system, some Boxcar type electric locos, and some electric Cab units used on intercity trains. So I have always been interested in Electrics.

Looking forward to the next show...

Posted by: wildchild on Mon, Jul 14 2008    
Hey Ryan,
Fantastic again! Love the way you are varying things, the SP paint schemes was fantastic, and the
ISR peice was interesting and informative. I have spread the word in the largest Model Railroad retailer in Australia, and will leave posters this week! Keep up the great work. By the way, I have noticed other people comparing the MRC podcast to
another podcast. You guys are in their league already, and they are vastly more experienced and obviously have industry contacts. Knock 'em dead!
Wildchild.

 
 
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